In episode 64, I interviewed Kathy Perret (@kathyperret) and Kenny McKee (@kennycmckee). Kathy is an instructional coaching consultant and co-author of "The Coach Approach to School Leadership." Kenny is a high school literacy and instructional coach. We discussed instructional coaching when faced with barriers and the duo's upcoming ASCD Empower20 pre-conference workshop and book set to be published later in the year.